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05 Apr 12 #321884 by BoysMum
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Hi,

I will keep this a brief as I can.

Ex has no contact with our 2 children, his choice, not mine. He would spend 6 months in the UK, then 6 months in Spain, to keep the CSA off his back. He refused to pay anything by mutual agreement so I eventually contacted the CSA.

So, he told them lie upon lie, had no work, had no fixed abode, ect ect to stall them. Eventually, they tracked him down to an address and sent a Criminal Compliance Officer to his house. He was either out, or chose not to answer the door, but they left hand delivered letters through the door. This prompted him to contact the CSA and said he is Self Employed, but has not had any work for the last year!!! He claimed to be financially supported by new GF.

After checking with the Inland Revenue, they decided to go with a Default Maintenance Assessment of £40 per week. He paid £20 in November 2011, then nothing.

He is due in court the 1st week of May as the CSA want to obtain a Liability Order for the debt.

My question is, has anybody had any experience with this? What is the next step after the court date? Do the NRP tend to pay up after a court appearance? Does it make them more resentful? Will I ever receive any financial help towards our children? Do the CSA really enforce the debt?

Any help will be greatly appreciated

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05 Apr 12 #321886 by mumtoboys
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don''t hold your breath...

all the Liability Order does is legalize the debt so that the CSA can collect it - this could include sending in bailiffs, obtaining Charging Orders against property your ex owns (and ultimately attempting to get an Order of Sale which is where I''m at now), attempting to freeze his bank accounts etc. etc. etc.

It''s a long process. I am at the point now where I have a direct dial number and I deal with a couple of people at most. I find phoning regularly and being persistent (but polite) seems to be the only way to go with them. I am sorry to say but there is an awful lot of wiggle room for your ex to play games but I figure eventually, the courts will get fed up with it and deal with him. It''s more of a court matter when it gets this far than the CSA who are effectively in the hands of the courts when it gets this far.

Stick with it but don''t count on anything!

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05 Apr 12 #321888 by BoysMum
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Hi mumtoboys

I figured as much !!

Ex had his house repossessed and doesn''t have a bank account, or even utility bills in his name. Everything he does is through his GF''s name.

Inland revenue are chasing him for not completing Tax returns, he is running from creditors for debts in excess of 100k, the list is endless.

I won''t hold my breath, and should be thankful for the £20 I did get !!!

What are the chances of the courts applying to have his passport taken away? This is the only thing that will hinder his lifestyle? He flies out to Spain every other month. Do they actually take this type of action, or is it a myth?

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05 Apr 12 #321890 by MrsMathsisfun
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I hope you spent that £20 wisely!!!

It hard when your struggling and the NRP wont take any responsibility.

Hope the CSA catch up with him and make him pay.

Good luck

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05 Apr 12 #321892 by BoysMum
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Hi Jaymdee,

Hahaha - Well, there wasn''t much change after I brought a bumper box of nappies.

I don''t know how he can sleep at night. Our youngest starts school in September so it''s double uniforms,shoes ect and was hoping to have a little help towards it. I won''t hold out too much hope now.

mumtoboys, thanks for the advice, I will keep telephoning on a regular basis.

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05 Apr 12 #321897 by mumtoboys
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I have spent the last three years assuming that this week/month/year...some money will come through. It never has. With school uniform, all I can say is the cheap stuff from Tesco and Asda washes OK and lasts as well as anything else I''ve bought (in fact, it''s been better than some school branded shirts I bought this year) and you can buy it all year round. My youngest starts in September so that''ll be 3 to buy for - I have been literally putting a pack of polo shirts, or socks, or a pair of trousers in my shopping every now and again to try to avoid having to spend a small fortune in August.

The passport thing - not sure. I don''t think it''s a myth, no, but I''ve not heard of it being done so couldn''t say. There are pages of statistics you can wade through on the www.childmaintenance.org website (under the ''publications'' tab) and of course, you can ask questions of your MP. It sounds like your ex, like mine, is a ''could pay but why on earth should I when my life is so great and free of responsibility'' type (mine is also evading the HMRC and numerous creditors) so just keep plugging away. Should any money ever come your way it''ll be an unexpected bonus! The trick is to not let it take over your life and stop you from ''moving on''. I make a monthly phonecall at the beginning of the month to the CSA and leave it at that.

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05 Apr 12 #321900 by BoysMum
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Thanks mumtoboys,

Its nice to know I am not the only one going through this. And, wise words of yours, not to let it take over my life, because as you have obviously been in ''my boat'', it does tend to take over your thoughts.

I''m going to take a leaf out of your book. Phone once a month, and leave it at that.

Thanks for your advice, it''s really helped.x

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