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20 Aug 12 #350725 by Fiona
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NHS Statistics on Alcohol: England, 2009;

There were marked differences in the drink preferences of men and women. Compared with men, women were proportionately less likely to drink beers and more likely to drink wine, fortified wine, spirits and alcopops. In terms of amounts drunk, even though women drink much less than men overall, they drank about the same amount of wine (4.6 units compared with 5.1 units for men). Women''s beer consumption, however, was very much lower than men''s - an average of 1.3 units a week, compared with 10.3 units.

www.ic.nhs.uk/pubs/alcohol09

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20 Aug 12 #350726 by rubytuesday
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That''s approx 33% or 1/3rd of all women drinking wine every night!!!


which means that two thirds don''t drink every night...

Im not quite sure where you are trying to go with this, not such a bad guy. I know that irresponsible drinking affects other family members and can cause relationships to break-down (been there, go the t-shirt), but we do need to be careful not to read too much into the stats you have provided, otherwise those that enjoy a glass of wine in the evenings and drink responsibly may feel ass though they are being labelled as irresponsible, or that they drink too much :(

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20 Aug 12 #350742 by Crumpled
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Hi My stbx comes home goes straight to the pub quite often on his way home and will be there from 8 until 3am he has also fallen over and injured himself on the way home.He holds down a really important job in the city and i dont know how he keeps it.Qite often he will then come home and drink a bottle of wine as well.
I am virtually teetotal I think this is an appalling role model to be for our teenagers a friend also told me how appalled they were that our 17 year old had gone to collect something from him at the pub and he had virtually forced him to have a pint of lager (my son does not like alcohol which i am really grateful about as he has aspergers syndrome and if he did like it he could well become obsessed with it....he is obsessed with red coke wwhich i am weaning him off!!)
he bought it for him and my son took a sip and left it....when my stbx went to the loo the kind friend (a man) asked him what he would prefer and he bought him a coke.

sorry to ramble on but in my experience I think it is down to the stress of the job

my stbx cant even get on a train without alcohol....took three cans of lager with him for a fifty minute train journey.

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20 Aug 12 #350751 by soulruler
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Well, I am not tetotal and do agree that wine goes to the head if taken in excess - that being the reason why I fell into drink dependency.

During the course of my marriage my ex was the heavy drinker, the pub goer and I was the stay at home mother who drank within reasonable limits.

My "excuse"? Well I see no real excuse for drinking in excess and we generally know the dangers. However, people who have suffered significant abuse often find they develop adictions to either prescription or other drugs.

I am not proud of it and my children at times have been rightly worried about it. Drink dependency is a problem in general in society these days and does not worry too much about class barriers of gender.

As far as I am aware my ex husband is now a more moderate drinker than he was when he lived with me.

Although I know quiet a few couples who are regular drinkers I also know quite a few people who are very occasional drinkers.

I have one female friend who like myself has a drink dependency problem but hers is not born out of abuse (and yes I have drunk at times to numb pain caused by anxiety) hers seems more a matter of character.

Most people who I am aware of who drink to excess are largely men (sorry I know that is sexist but they are the ones seen on a regular basis in the pub) but they fail to acknoweldge that they have a serious dependency problem.

Hope I am not generalising too much.

If you want to know how I know that they are mostly men in the pub well it is because I spent a good amount of time the last 2 years there myself.

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20 Aug 12 #350757 by not such a bad guy
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Rubytuesday - really I''m not trying to go anywhere with this, and neither am I trying to prevent it going anywhere for fear of what it may show.

The 33% expressed is only the figure for women drinking wine from a Total figure of 44% drinking alcohol every night. Not just an occasional glass when it is fancied....the figure is for every single night!!

If there is one of the links that you take the time to read relating to alcohol consumption trends, then please let it be this one. In particular the brief and graph on page 1 plus the specific section relating to drinking trends amongst women on page 83 and 84. www.jrf.org.uk/sites/files/jrf/UK-alcohol-trends-FULL.pdf

Please then re-read my original post to see the context in which I raised the topic, and tell me with all honesty that the problem or (growing potential problem) that I am referring to is/isn''t real!

As a final stat by 2014 or 2015 the UK will be the biggest wine importer in the world and according to reports within the UK women drink more wine than men.

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20 Aug 12 #350762 by soulruler
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Well, woman are far more likely to be subjected to domestic violence than men - stats can be found I believe by going on the Freedom Programme Website.

People subjected to violence often become drink dependent or have a problem with drinking for a while.

Have you ever considered and I do not disagree that in general terms the average woman is more likely to drink wine than beer that the average man is more likely to drink beer than wine.

Wine might go to your head but I don''t believe that beer goes to the legs, all evidence leads me to believe it goes to the fists and the belly.

Trouble with talking to a drink dependent is that we do like alcholic humour. Have your got a sense of alcholic humour?

BTW I am sober today.

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20 Aug 12 #350787 by Forseti
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not such a bad guy wrote:

Rubytuesday - really I''m not trying to go anywhere with this, and neither am I trying to prevent it going anywhere for fear of what it may show.


So why mention it at all? Anything so obviously gendered is likely to cause offence, particularly when the evidence produced is so poor (and I speak as someone whose ex used to roll home in the early hours after a night of adultery and vomit red wine over the bed).

I think you are misreading the statistics - though it is difficult to tell when no citation is provided for the original study and the JRF link doesn''t work. You''ve taken the 73% to refer to all women, when I think it just refers to the 61% of adults (73 plus 26 when rounded up = 100).

The issues discussed on this site (domestic violence, child abuse, shared parenting) are highly contentious and frequently involve the use of false statistics - witness the false DV data you have provoked on this very thread. We have to be very careful when we use such statistics, and ensure that we know exactly what is being measured, how the sample was selected, what methodology was used and who paid for the research.

Both my partner and myself come from relationships and families destroyed by alcohol abuse (amongst other things); I don''t see that it matters much whether it is a wife drinking wine or a husband drinking beer.

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