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Relevance of further education on Form E??

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16 Aug 07 #2050 by Dockley
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Hope someone can answer this post.

On form E my wife has declared future expected liability for our daughter at £13,000 made up as £9000 in university fees and £4000 for purchase of driving lessons and a car.
In relation to our sons future expected liability (he lives with me not her) she has declared that he will leave school at 16 and obtain employment and therefore have no need of any lump sum financial liability.

On my form E, I did not put anything in the box in relation to either child other than they will leave school at 16 and either be employed or further education but no lump sum liability.

I have received my daughters school report and she is not doing very well at all in school and is in her final year at Sept. I'm not sure that she would gain a university place if her grades do not improve dramatically.

How does this apply in relation to what my wife has put on her form E??

Any advice appreciated
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PS: Both children have savings policies that mature at age 18, which were specifically taken out at birth for any of the above factors.

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16 Aug 07 #2055 by Fiona
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Are you sure this is right, supporting post 18s in full time education/training is a maintenance issue ?

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16 Aug 07 #2057 by Louise11
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Hi

The first time we went to a solicitor we asked this same question, although in our case it will be stepkids we are talking about. Anyway solicitor replied "yes well its very expensive for kids to go to university these days"! So i said but surely they pay for themselves to go i.e. with student loans ect ect. Solicitor replied well yes but if you want to pay for them to go so they dont incurr any loans or fees, then its perfectly acceptable for you to pay! So this becomes a liability for you???? Me? i still dont get how a judge would accept this when who knows what kids are going to do in the future? My son wanted to be a lawyer??????? hahahah till i talked him out of it!!!!!!!!!!!! The thing is my daughter is coming upto 17 so i will be paying for her driving lessons, god knows how though, but she cant afford them, anyway shes staying on at school, so this becomes a monthly expenditure for me!

I honestly dont think a Judge is going to take much notice of these types of figures when a child reaches 18 its down to them to pay! Its for people i think who earn shed loads of money and pay for everything where their kids are concerned. I think if it did become an issue in court all you have to say as a Dad, well if my wife and i had still been together when our daughter reaches uni age then she would of had to fund herself through uni as we would never have been able to afford it! If we had paid it for her we would of just had to take on another debt!

I doubt its an issue but i would certainly put in school reports ect, ect and why is she even writing on form E what is happening to son when hes 16, when thats down to you on your Form E??? if he lives with you?

I think your solicitor needs a good talking too!!!

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Louise

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16 Aug 07 #2058 by Louise11
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Hi

The first time we went to a solicitor we asked this same question, although in our case it will be stepkids we are talking about. Anyway solicitor replied "yes well its very expensive for kids to go to university these days"! So i said but surely they pay for themselves to go i.e. with student loans ect ect. Solicitor replied well yes but if you want to pay for them to go so they dont incurr any loans or fees, then its perfectly acceptable for you to pay! So this becomes a liability for you???? Me? i still dont get how a judge would accept this when who knows what kids are going to do in the future? My son wanted to be a lawyer??????? hahahah till i talked him out of it!!!!!!!!!!!! The thing is my daughter is coming upto 17 so i will be paying for her driving lessons, god knows how though, but she cant afford them, anyway shes staying on at school, so this becomes a monthly expenditure for me!

I honestly dont think a Judge is going to take much notice of these types of figures when a child reaches 18 its down to them to pay! Its for people i think who earn shed loads of money and pay for everything where their kids are concerned. I think if it did become an issue in court all you have to say as a Dad, well if my wife and i had still been together when our daughter reaches uni age then she would of had to fund herself through uni as we would never have been able to afford it! If we had paid it for her we would of just had to take on another debt!

I doubt its an issue but i would certainly put in school reports ect, ect and why is she even writing on form E what is happening to son when hes 16, when thats down to you on your Form E??? if he lives with you?

I think your solicitor needs a good talking too!!!

Kind ones
Louise

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16 Aug 07 #2060 by sexysadie
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The CSA consider maintenance responsibility to end the September that the child goes to university.

In the past, when maintenance was paid under a court order, orders could last until the child left university, although I assume most people stopped paying the parent with care and started paying the child. I think it is also possible to ask for a court order to cover university study additional to CSA maintenance, in the same way that one can with respect to school fees, if that was the general family expectation.

From last academic year,students in England and Wales no longer have to pay university fees upfront: they are paid off after university once income has reached a certain level. So I would not say that university fees are the top priority. There are also loans, but generally they are not enough to live on and most students also have to work part-time or get some extra support from their parents.

However, the university system in this country still works on the assumption that students really are studying full-time, and any significant part-time work really does cause problems with studying. Any parent who can should really therefore contribute to living costs through university. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to carry on paying the child maintenance amount directly to the child for the three years of undergraduate study.

Maybe, Dockley, you could argue that your children could use the savings policies you mention to subsidise their university living costs, and pay their fees once they are earning postgraduate salaries.

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16 Aug 07 #2065 by Dockley
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Hi

Thanks all for your replies, to clarify:

In section 3: Financial Requirements Part 2 Capital Needs

This is where she has put:

University Fees £9000
Car & driving lessons £4000
House £190,000

It is in section 1: General Information that she has stated daughter (with her) to University, son (with me) to seek employment. Ha. Me thinks she is trying to twist in her favour, ooh shock horror, cant believe she'd do that!

Should I also take to court estate agents particulars of 3 bed semi for sale on same street as FMH we lived in at £130,000 rather than her requested £190,000?

Also, I will continue to pay maintenance til education is completed, I have no problem whatsover with that, it just seems that form E has been manipluated to increase Capital Needs for the future.

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17 Aug 07 #2082 by Fiona
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